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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:17 AM

View Postisuck, on 09 December 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

To keep it short, combination of to much dps (as mentioned here 120+ body shots are normal)and tankiness(which is even worse with all the healing they can do).

Solution, bring down their dmg/lower or remove their healing/lower their inherent tankiness

All the tankiness you so all speak of comes from the high HP amount and Parrying that was added. Also the fact that chi burst can succesfully heal up to 100hp if all 5 points been used and dont forget the ocassional 15-25 hp heal from expel harm.
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:22 AM

View PostRaging, on 10 December 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

All the tankiness you so all speak of comes from the high HP amount and Parrying that was added. Also the fact that chi burst can succesfully heal up to 100hp if all 5 points been used and dont forget the ocassional 15-25 hp heal from expel harm.

inb4

"lol but who would waste chi on healing lol?"

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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:54 PM

Damage: 1532 by Twi-Twi Brights
Taken: 1197 by Katze
Healing: 376 by Katze


[Damage Given to "Katze" - 730 in 10 hits

arms warrior

with 114 attack power

+ landslide

It was in a burst as in i was spraying his head from 1m away while he was shooting some one else.


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He's a HEALER monk, not a tank monk.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:34 PM

View PostTas, on 14 December 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Damage: 1532 by Twi-Twi Brights
Taken: 1197 by Katze
Healing: 376 by Katze


[Damage Given to "Katze" - 730 in 10 hits

arms warrior

with 114 attack power

+ landslide

It was in a burst as in i was spraying his head from 1m away while he was shooting some one else.


E*

He's a HEALER monk, not a tank monk.
With 5 chi I can heal from 0 to full health, which I could've been lucky enough to have used at the right time.
I have 433 armor/34% dmg red. Also, there are spells that do healing over time, like renewing mist/sirene mist which I'm not sure can jump back to me? 730 console dmg isn't a whole lot for a priest to tank if he's healing himself?

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:01 PM

View Postkatze, on 14 December 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

With 5 chi I can heal from 0 to full health, which I could've been lucky enough to have used at the right time.
I have 433 armor/34% dmg red. Also, there are spells that do healing over time, like renewing mist/sirene mist which I'm not sure can jump back to me? 730 console dmg isn't a whole lot for a priest to tank if he's healing himself?

Renew mist can jump back and forth up to four times I think, as long as there is some one nearby it will go between you and them.
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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:40 PM

View Postkatze, on 14 December 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

With 5 chi I can heal from 0 to full health, which I could've been lucky enough to have used at the right time.
I have 433 armor/34% dmg red. Also, there are spells that do healing over time, like renewing mist/sirene mist which I'm not sure can jump back to me? 730 console dmg isn't a whole lot for a priest to tank if he's healing himself?

yet i want to see the priest that tanks a 7-hit burst from my warrior :)


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To point out:

Read the word BURST

you didnt have "a whole lot of time to heal yourself"

:)

Edited by Tas, 14 December 2013 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:29 PM

View PostTas, on 14 December 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

yet i want to see the priest that tanks a 7-hit burst from my warrior :)


E*


To point out:

Read the word BURST

you didnt have "a whole lot of time to heal yourself"

:)

towel did that stupidly often..

Monk itself is weak as fuck, just the amount of chit it uses beefs it up and makes it a wrecking ball.
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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:55 PM

So heal monk can spend energy to expel harm and renew mist (mist being free), spend chi for chi sphere healing (+some damage), and hit enemies and aoe heal (with no cost).

50% chance every expel harm gives 1 chi.

Something just screams to me 'monk never can oom'

Without silencing the monk it just becomes near impossible, it feels like, to ever kill them... Katze tanked over 3.5k damage one round when it was just 4v4, 2/3 people chasing after him constantly...

Edited by Oob, 16 December 2013 - 12:55 AM.

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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:06 AM

View PostOob, on 15 December 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

So heal monk can spend energy to expel harm and renew mist (mist being free), spend chi for chi sphere healing (+some damage), and hit enemies and aoe heal (with no cost).

50% chance every expel harm gives 1 chi.

Something just screams to me 'monk never can oom'

Without silencing the monk it just becomes near impossible, it feels like, to ever kill them... Katze tanked over 3.5k damage one round when it was just 4v4, 2/3 people chasing after him constantly...
War should be enought to kill him with -% of healing or no ?:/

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:08 AM

View PostBill, on 16 December 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

War should be enought to kill him with -% of healing or no ?:/
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:11 AM

View PostBill, on 16 December 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

War should be enought to kill him with -% of healing or no ?:/

Reload Chi -> Jump -> Spray

Actually warriors can kill them, just super derpy.
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 10:03 AM

View PostWookie, on 16 December 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:


Nope
How it comes ? Mortal strike decrese healing if i remember and u also can get talent from T1 of fury tree that also shutdown healing. If even this doesnt work, then ty Hani u made OP char..

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 03:33 PM

View PostBill, on 16 December 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

How it comes ? Mortal strike decrese healing if i remember and u also can get talent from T1 of fury tree that also shutdown healing. If even this doesnt work, then ty Hani u made OP char..
All newly released chars are OP in every game :D And the healing reduction does not fix the problem as once it proccs, it reduces the healing, does not remove it. Monk can still heal himself and give himself other ways to support him other than instant heal. Besides give Hanii positive/constructive criticism, it must've been a grand job to do, so balancing should not be an issue (yet)
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:45 PM

-%Healing doesn't seem to do much against a monk spamming heals constantly.
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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:18 PM

Meh, then we need more silence ! :)

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:40 PM

View PostRaging, on 15 December 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

towel did that stupidly often..

Monk itself is weak as fuck, just the amount of chit it uses beefs it up and makes it a wrecking ball.

just curious, are you actually claiming that their gear is anywhere equal?


+ isnt priest supposed to be the bursty healer :)
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:24 AM

View PostTas, on 17 December 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

just curious, are you actually claiming that their gear is anywhere equal?


+ isnt priest supposed to be the bursty healer :)

Blame, who ever made monk items with 50/50 ratio stats with no third stat (crit,res ai)
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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:24 AM

[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:34 AM

View PostTas, on 20 December 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:07 AM

View PostTas, on 20 December 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.
[WC] Your Stance of the Serpent healed everyone near you for 460 health.

yeah it was time to buff monk :D
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