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#21 OFFLINE   Bill

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:18 AM

I would agree that monks gear is just super cool...huge ammout of agi/sta compared to other classes i think..

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:38 AM

View Postkillakenny, on 07 December 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

They don't have a counterpart.
Making more dmg than rogue and healing more than priest.
And everyone is playing this.

I don't play atm because my rogue deals 3-6 dmg to them, hf gg.
healing more than priests, huh?
More damage than rogues? Can't argue as I don't know what damage rogues deal now. But taking for instance shamans:
[WC] Stabby Joe has Eye for an Eye  you take 241 damage
Now count what was the actual damage.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 02:11 AM

View Poststinkyfax, on 08 December 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

healing more than priests, huh?
More damage than rogues? Can't argue as I don't know what damage rogues deal now. But taking for instance shamans:
[WC] Stabby Joe has Eye for an Eye  you take 241 damage
Now count what was the actual damage.
They don't heal more than Priests. They lack mana which allows them to heal more over time, but their burst healing is lesser compared to Priests. Their damage is extremely high, which I agree on nerfing. Removing the bonus damage from their stance is enough.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 02:52 AM

View PostArioni, on 08 December 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

They don't heal more than Priests. They lack mana which allows them to heal more over time, but their burst healing is lesser compared to Priests. Their damage is extremely high, which I agree on nerfing. Removing the bonus damage from their stance is enough.

Heal monks still do high damage? Don't tell me their stance is giving them damage too...
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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 03:10 AM

View PostOob, on 08 December 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Heal monks still do high damage? Don't tell me their stance is giving them damage too...
No...I'm talking about Tiger Stance.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 05:57 AM

View PostArioni, on 08 December 2013 - 03:10 AM, said:

No...I'm talking about Tiger Stance.

I was joking :P, thought it was obvious >.>..
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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 06:56 AM

View PostOob, on 08 December 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

I was joking :P, thought it was obvious >.>..
Jokes are usually funny...
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:19 AM

View PostArioni, on 08 December 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Jokes are usually funny...

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:39 AM

View PostCrypt, on 08 December 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

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Hatchling #CA : DK should be OP since it is a donator class

Mazz: I will say that YOU are not looking at the talent tree correctly.
Attack Power means nothing for an unholy / frost DK

Nov 14,2013: [WC] You cast Frostbolt at Derek and deal 94 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by: Critical)
Nov 17,2013: (versus mage boss) [WC]You cast Frostbolt at BonBons and deal 165 damage with a slowdown effect (Affected by:Critical)
For norm frostbolt of about 40 in this setup I say that is rather good :D..

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:52 AM

View PostOob, on 08 December 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:


I thought his joke was funny. wont even 1v1 him irl rekt.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:54 AM

After brewmaster was fixed? the amount of DPS Monks rose A LOT
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:23 AM

View PostWookie, on 08 December 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

After brewmaster was fixed? the amount of DPS Monks rose A LOT


and i remember a healer monk tanking 2.6k dmg in 1 - 1.5 minutes from my wlock :D


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:38 AM

View PostArioni, on 08 December 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

They don't heal more than Priests. They lack mana which allows them to heal more over time, but their burst healing is lesser compared to Priests. Their damage is extremely high, which I agree on nerfing. Removing the bonus damage from their stance is enough.
My post's point was:
monks are not healing more than priests
monks are not dealing more damage than shamans.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:42 AM

View Poststinkyfax, on 08 December 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

My post's point was:
monks are not healing more than priests
monks are not dealing more damage than shamans.
They actually are dealing more damage...:D
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:52 PM

I don't play Monk so not sure, but seems they don't need to aim the heals like a Priest has todo, at least for flash and greater healing spells.

When i play and see a 85e Monk in my team i stay close and will never die, cause he heals more more than the Priest in my team.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 07:58 PM

View Postkillakenny, on 08 December 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

I don't play Monk so not sure, but seems they don't need to aim the heals like a Priest has todo, at least for flash and greater healing spells.

When i play and see a 85e Monk in my team i stay close and will never die, cause he heals more more than the Priest in my team.
At least it feels like that.
That is because: Priest has 1 AoE heal, Circle of Healing, and then 1 more way to AoE support the team with a weaker amount of shield/healing, where as monk has A LOT of ways to heal in AoE and has short -ish cd on them.
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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:44 AM

View Poststinkyfax, on 08 December 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

My post's point was:
monks are not healing more than priests
monks are not dealing more damage than shamans.

That's a pretty unfair comparison. Priests are THE healer class and shamans are THE damaging class. It's partly due  to the fact that Monk has a bit of each aspect in healer, dps, and tank that makes them so strong. Just looking at the specs each tree in monk has a talent that heals them for a decent amount of hp. The standard monk decked in 73e has over 450 hp and about 50 attack power and 75 spell power. You can't look at singular spells or talents to say no he is not OP just looking at the kit as a whole makes something OP.
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Posted 09 December 2013 - 10:00 AM

i have to agree monk is op
specially the dps tree their is no point to counter them (little bit tanky/heal/tons of dmg) i guess monk dps is the stronger version of pala

Healer monk (i play healer monk)
i guess heal monk isnt that op
i see no reason to nerf the heal. yeah priest is the main healer class and it still is... my 83 priest (~800 rating) heals more than my monk (~1000 rating)
the healer monk is a healer too if you say healer monk shouldnt heal so much than shadow priest shouldnt deal so much dmg
priest healer heals people with 2 heals completl. monk needs much time to heal some1 without his revival.
monks heal is more based on aoe (so he needs a group to heal much, single heal is just for chi in my oppinion) priests heals are both strong single and aoe

tankyness of healer monk: i guess its okay cause he is healer and i have without talent and 73e gear ~200 armor
DPS of healer monk: i deal about 150-200 awp hs dmg (so i need more than 1 awp hs to kill some1) thats nor much too
Heal of healer monk: only strong in group or run away and heal yourself

cant speak really for the other 2 specs but if you nerf healer monk i guess then you should nerf movement speed and/or tankyness

tanky monk:
never seen dont know

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:05 AM

View PostCrypt, on 09 December 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

That's a pretty unfair comparison. Priests are THE healer class and shamans are THE damaging class. It's partly due  to the fact that Monk has a bit of each aspect in healer, dps, and tank that makes them so strong. Just looking at the specs each tree in monk has a talent that heals them for a decent amount of hp. The standard monk decked in 73e has over 450 hp and about 50 attack power and 75 spell power. You can't look at singular spells or talents to say no he is not OP just looking at the kit as a whole makes something OP.
I was commenting on a post of killakenny:

View Postkillakenny, on 07 December 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

They don't have a counterpart.
Making more dmg than rogue and healing more than priest.
And everyone is playing this.

I don't play atm because my rogue deals 3-6 dmg to them, hf gg.

I have not said anything about "Monk is OK".
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Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:31 PM

To keep it short, combination of to much dps (as mentioned here 120+ body shots are normal)and tankiness(which is even worse with all the healing they can do).

Solution, bring down their dmg/lower or remove their healing/lower their inherent tankiness




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