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[Oob]

Talent info says: "...Other sources of damage will still hurt you, nor does it reflect spell effects..."

6 seconds of 100% reflect seems op as it is, even against one target. At first I read the talent info and thought spell damage still went through, but I guess it doesn't. So woopie a frostbolt can still slow me...?

The only thing comparable is heartfire and that is not even 100% reflect and lasts 2.5 seconds (I believe). Touch of Karma def. needs to last at the most 3 seconds I think...

Discuss ?

Edited by Oob, 26 November 2013 - 04:02 AM.

[Raging]

RUn away for 6 seconds ?

[Wookie]

Raging, on 26 November 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

RUn away for 6 seconds ?

"lol nerf meta we can't be running away from it!"

[Crypt]

But you as the caster also get hurt with it. It basically is a ceasefire and if used correctly can bait high damage skills out that you can turn around on them. Keep it as it is as it requires Chi which means you can just use it right as you spawn.

[Porta]

Yea, You lost 2 chi when cast it, and you CANT shoot(your target...) while its on, or you will die...

[Oob]

You guys act as though getting chi is difficult...

Every jab = 1 chi from my experience. The only problem is the proc chance for jab seems really inconsistent at times, probably only because I'm missing a lot of shots (spraying too much etc).

Mid-Short range fights and I can basically guarantee that I have 5 chi before I start reloading, and if luck was not on my side 3.

Porta, on 26 November 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

Yea, You lost 2 chi when cast it, and you CANT shoot(your target...) while its on, or you will die...

Ok, and in 2v1 situations it is a better cock block than polymorph ;D? /terrible jokes

Again relating to heartfire a bit...

When a dk uses heartfire it is really obvious for 'veteran' players and it can quickly and easily be explained to and learned by new players. Any one shooting the dk with the red mist will be hurt back, not very hard to understand.

The player who has the 'touch of karma' effect on them has barely any idea if it is them (chat messages can be spammy and it is easily missed).

Ironically the same applies for the monk who used it, sometimes the effect just 'falls off' like how shield wall wouldn't "stick" to the warrior sometimes, or how bubble would "disappear."

Though I've said there is enough eye rape in the mod as is... perhaps something as simple as a solid green line (sort of like rogues with sinister strike, if that is what the solid blue line is now) connecting between the monk and the victim when karma affects either of them.

Tinting the victim's screen green for 2 seconds on being 'marked' with touch of karma may help too.

@Crypt / Porta: It is not even close to difficult to avoid shooting an enemy... especially when you are the one who ordered the 'cease fire' as you want to call it crypt .

Edited by Oob, 26 November 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[Mesias]

Oob, on 26 November 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

Though I've said there is enough eye rape in the mod as is... perhaps something as simple as a solid green line (sort of like rogues with sinister strike, if that is what the solid blue line is now) connecting between the monk and the victim when karma affects either of them.

Tinting the victim's screen green for 2 seconds on being 'marked' with touch of karma may help too.

okay so rogue sg away and the the green line show you where rogue is?

[Wookie]

Mesias, on 26 November 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

okay so rogue sg away and the the green line show you where rogue is?

As if the monk could use that information

[Arioni]

It makes a pretty damn loud sound for both the attacker and the victim. It also has a big green glowing thingy appear around you and the target. I don't know how much more visual you want it to be.
As it has been said, Touch of Karma also hurts the user. It's basically a ceasefire. "Wait, let me kill your teammate, I'll get back to you in 6 seconds!" and making it any shorter would defeat its purpose.

[Raging]

YEt to see a touch of karma defuse abuse.

[BonBons]

Raging, on 26 November 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

YEt to see a touch of karma defuse abuse.

Do you hear that? It's the sound of everyone's mind exploding.

[TinyTerror]

This might sound silly, but maybe it should be a toggleable proc on taking damage rather than a manual cast?

When you're in a spray fight, the ability to activate a 6 second 100% reflect spell at near enough any time is an insane advantage. By making it proc with a toggle, you have to plan far better. Introduces a nice element of risk.

I'm surprised I haven't run into it more actually. What are you dps monks playing at?!

[Arioni]

TinyTerror, on 28 November 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

This might sound silly, but maybe it should be a toggleable proc on taking damage rather than a manual cast?

When you're in a spray fight, the ability to activate a 6 second 100% reflect spell at near enough any time is an insane advantage. By making it proc with a toggle, you have to plan far better. Introduces a nice element of risk.

I'm surprised I haven't run into it more actually. What are you dps monks playing at?!

I'm only level 77

[Raging]

TinyTerror, on 28 November 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

This might sound silly, but maybe it should be a toggleable proc on taking damage rather than a manual cast?

When you're in a spray fight, the ability to activate a 6 second 100% reflect spell at near enough any time is an insane advantage. By making it proc with a toggle, you have to plan far better. Introduces a nice element of risk.

I'm surprised I haven't run into it more actually. What are you dps monks playing at?!

Doing final project and learning for an exam

[Crypt]

I was DPS monk but then I learned the OPness that is Tank Monk. I liked touch of karma but it is too hard to use to its full potential If its a bad player I don't need to use touch of karma but if it's a good enough player to actually hit me they notice when touch of karma procs which leaves me with 6 seconds of repositioning and reloading and down 2 chi.

[TinyTerror]

Been playing with it today, I feel cheap using it. To anyone who doesn't know what it is, it's gg. To people who do, it's near the best escape spell in the game.. if you're 1v1ing, anyway.

[Oob]

TinyTerror, on 30 November 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

Been playing with it today, I feel cheap using it. To anyone who doesn't know what it is, it's gg. To people who do, it's near the best escape spell in the game.. if you're 1v1ing, anyway.

Even people who know about it... you probably are not going to be able to instantly stop shooting the monk when karma is used during a firefight... For mages who can throw 100+ damage with bullet damage + spells on one shot, an 'accidental' hit on the karma monk can easily be your death.

Using touch of karma against players with good aim shreds them easily :|.

[stinkyfax]

I also don't like the argument of "if you don't know it, you are dead, your problem."
That is the opposite of what I want new players to feel, I want them not to require knowing every single spell in wow in order to play.. Yah knowing how polymorph works is helpful, but if you don't know - you don't instant die.

[TinyTerror]

I just think the spell itself is extremely unfair.

[zhy0125]

I shot a monk with awp which deal 600+ dmg to myself and of course I die : D